Curse

Fuzzy Taco · Nov 24, 2007, 03:11 AM // 03:11

hey guys!

one of the necromancer's most viable options at the moment is a hex shutdown build. there are many different options in this kind of build, so i'm interested to see what you guys like to run!

For unorganized PvP, i like to run something with plenty of self sufficiency, via Shadow Arts.

AB:

14 curses - 12+1+1
10 Shadow Arts
9 Soul Reaping - 8+1
[skill]Corrupt Enchantment[/skill][skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Insidious Parasite[/skill][skill]Desecrate Enchantments[/skill][skill]Shadow Refuge[/skill][skill]Heart of Shadow[/skill][skill]Dash[/skill]

for RA, replace Desecrate with a rez sig. i like it because of its solid self healing and kiting utility.

for organized PvP, i like to focus on a wider-based, more team-oriented build.

14 Curses
10 Earth Magic
9 Soul Reaping
[skill]Corrupt Enchantment[/skill][skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Faintheartedness[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Ward against Melee[/skill][skill]Ward against Foes[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

i love wards, and melee shutdown is always nice.

your turn!

P.S. feel free to criticize my builds, i can't say the same for others' builds.

jrk247 · Nov 24, 2007, 01:13 PM // 13:13

[skill]Corrupt Enchantment[/skill][skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Price of Failure[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Faintheartedness[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Dark Escape[/skill][skill]Feigned Neutrality[/skill]

12+1+1 Curses
10+1 SR
8 Shadow Arts

I love this build.

Vvarden Ok Raden · Feb 20, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Spiteful Spirit, Insidious Parasite, Backfire, Empathy = Damage Dealing Skills

Lifebane Strike, Vampiric Gaze, Signet of Lost Souls = Healing Skills

Resurrection Signet = Res

Empathy and Insidious Parasite work great at eating away chunks of health from harder foes. I love seeing massive amounts of damage numbers (greater than any rit or ele spike to one foe) above Shiro Tagachi's head! But it doesn't stop there, you have Triple Chop/Cyclone Axe warriors and Scythe Dervs. Or... instead of stacking em, try placing each hex on a different foe, which makes the entire party ur fighting tons easier.

IMO, This build far surpasses any spike that be done with a conventional elementalist or ritualist.

Other than that, new to guru, so just trying to get some input out there.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Feb 20, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

My personal piss everyone off build
Nec/ele
16 curses
10 soul reaping
6 earth
Corrupt enchant
Insidious parisite
Glyph of lesser energy
reckless haste
faithhardness
parasitic bond
sig off lost souls
rez

i change it around alot but that is the most recent one i ran in RA for kicks. i had a few people pissed off. I may try running desercrate for pissing off enchant stacking dervs

moush · Feb 21, 2008, 10:57 AM // 10:57

Curses = 12+1+1
Soul Reaping = 10+1
Wilderness Survival = 8

[skill]Distracting Shot[/skill][skill]Corrupt Enchantment[/skill]

[skill]Faintheartedness[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Natural Stride[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Interrupting shit pwns. Can spread around dmg with Defile + auto attack if they block. CE overall kicks ass, can't go wrong.

And this is for RA

Qdq Swi · Feb 22, 2008, 12:28 PM // 12:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrk247

[skill]Corrupt Enchantment[/skill][skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Price of Failure[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Faintheartedness[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Dark Escape[/skill][skill]Feigned Neutrality[/skill]

12+1+1 Curses
10+1 SR
8 Shadow Arts

I love this build.

Please explain how this is supposed to work... I just dont get it... You cast reckless haste on someone.. and then you use faintheartedness on him? I just dont see the purpose in hexing your opponent with an IAS and then taking it away again with Faintheartedness...

I use in RA

[skill]Corrupt Enchantment[/skill][skill]Insidious Parasite[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Price of Failure[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

12+1+1 Curses, 12 Soul Reaping.

Ip is for one meleer, say a sin.. And Price of Failure and Reckless Haste are for another meleer. Sometimes I switch out [skill]Insidious Parasite[/skill] for [skill]Enfeeble[/skill]. I like to keep Price of Failure and Reckless Haste on the same bar, cus they make an amazing combination.

ZenRgy · Feb 22, 2008, 12:32 PM // 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qdq Swi

Please explain how this is supposed to work... I just dont get it... You cast have reckless haste on someone.. and then you use faintheartedness on him? I just dont see the purpose in hexing your opponent with an IAS and then taking it away again with Faintheartedness...

You can hex more than one person, last time I checked. Why would you want the person to attack faster, if you throw both on - the "bonus" from reckless haste of taken anyway leaving only the negative effects on the target (miss chance and slower attack speed).

Fuzzy Taco · Feb 22, 2008, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by moush

Curses = 12+1+1
Soul Reaping = 10+1
Wilderness Survival = 8

[skill]Distracting Shot[/skill][skill]Corrupt Enchantment[/skill]

[skill]Faintheartedness[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Natural Stride[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Interrupting shit pwns. Can spread around dmg with Defile + auto attack if they block. CE overall kicks ass, can't go wrong.

And this is for RA

that looks like an interesting build. i've been running SV lately with Disrupting Dagger, and interrupts really make a difference. i assume Nat. stride and spreading parasitic bond keep survivability high?

moush · Feb 22, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Taco

that looks like an interesting build. i've been running SV lately with Disrupting Dagger, and interrupts really make a difference. i assume Nat. stride and spreading parasitic bond keep survivability high?

Yep, and d-shotting a nasty spell or a Res Sig is the best kind of self heal for RA.

jrk247 · Feb 22, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qdq Swi

Please explain how this is supposed to work... I just dont get it... You cast reckless haste on someone.. and then you use faintheartedness on him? I just dont see the purpose in hexing your opponent with an IAS and then taking it away again with Faintheartedness...

The whole bar doesn't have to be for one foe, but I normally would cast RH + PoF on a melee'r after they take some damage from auto attacking I cast Faintheart and if they're still attacking they are too stupid and will die in a few seconds or they'll stop and back away with degen on them, if they cast Healing Breeze or some other enchant I'll cast CE on them.

The build is really solid, one of the most solid builds I've used in AB for my necro.

And I do love Dark Escape + Feigned Neutrality, half damage and +80 armor + regen and the + health from PB. It's hard to die with this build unless you run out of juice or are caught off guard.

jayce · Feb 23, 2008, 05:35 AM // 05:35

i commend most builds that i see here and in-game. most of these builds will rain hell on most physical attackers. but i must point out that i rarely ever come across a build that can effectively deal with threats from both physical and caster. usually they are built against one or the other. in the end, they end up failing or useless because they do not spec against the other half of the equation when you really need them to.

personally, imo, insidious parasite and plague touch should be on a bar if for nothing else, self-defense and survivability and virtually only used when you are the focus of the physical attacker. anything extra for dealing with physical is purely for support of your ally. this will leave you with 5 skill slots left (provided that you have a res skill) to tend to either more physical attackers, casters and yourself. those remaining skills should be the most effective ones you can think of that will give you the highest chance of success.

Jayce Of Underworld

Captain Miken · Feb 23, 2008, 05:43 AM // 05:43

hey uhhh

you all appear to have forgotten enfeeble/enfeebling blood

what diggs?

Fuzzy Taco · Feb 23, 2008, 05:53 AM // 05:53

Quote:

hey uhhh

you all appear to have forgotten enfeeble/enfeebling blood

what diggs?

Enfeeble / Blood have become less powerful with mending touch and assassins beicoming more and more prevalent. also, the attacks never hitting is better than them hitting for less.

Quote:

i commend most builds that i see here and in-game. most of these builds will rain hell on most physical attackers. but i must point out that i rarely ever come across a build that can effectively deal with threats from both physical and caster. usually they are built against one or the other. in the end, they end up failing or useless because they do not spec against the other half of the equation when you really need them to.

personally, imo, insidious parasite and plague touch should be on a bar if for nothing else, self-defense and survivability and virtually only used when you are the focus of the physical attacker. anything extra for dealing with physical is purely for support of your ally. this will leave you with 5 skill slots left (provided that you have a res skill) to tend to either more physical attackers, casters and yourself. those remaining skills should be the most effective ones you can think of that will give you the highest chance of success.

well, Corrupt Enchant is pretty much a guarantee on an anti-melee bar, and that can mess with a lot of casters. you can also use Faint + PBond as degen pressure. i'd prefer a solid, resilient anti-melee build than a jack of all trades, master of none.

Tyla · Feb 23, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by moush

Curses = 12+1+1
Soul Reaping = 10+1
Wilderness Survival = 8

[skill]Distracting Shot[/skill][skill]Corrupt Enchantment[/skill]

[skill]Faintheartedness[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Natural Stride[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Interrupting shit pwns. Can spread around dmg with Defile + auto attack if they block. CE overall kicks ass, can't go wrong.

And this is for RA

Hehe, pop out your bow and D-Shot their arse!
Unexpected disruption ftw eh?

Trvth Jvstice · Feb 23, 2008, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuzzy Taco

Enfeeble / Blood have become less powerful with mending touch and assassins becoming more and more prevalent. also, the attacks never hitting is better than them hitting for less.

But what about these comments from this thread?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Enfeebling Blood is one of the best and strongest skills available to a Curses necro. It's basically Prot Spirit for a necro. Generally speaking, it should be permanently glued on Curses bars. It certainly stomps the heck out of Reckless Haste.

And...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

If push came to shove I would drop every single skill on a PvE curse bar for Enfeebling Blood. I can't think of a single skill more valuable that I could take, let alone 8.

Yes, I'd cut Spiteful Spirit for Enfeebling Blood if I had to.

People usually tend to listen to Carinae and Ensign when they make such strong statements, I certainly did.

EDIT: As pointed out below, the above quotes were referring to Enfeebling Blood's use in PVE.

Pyro maniac · Feb 23, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

[skill]Rip Enchantment[/skill][skill]Reaper's Mark[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Mend Body and Soul[/skill][skill]Soothing Memories[/skill][skill]Vengeful Weapon[/skill][skill]Blind was Mingson[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

hex shutdown with .. 1 hex =/

Shadow Slave · Feb 23, 2008, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Trvth: Simply put, you are quoting a PvE centred thread.

Very valid points in that respect, because weakness on PvE mobs it ftw.

The Hex Shutdown builds in this thread so far are referring to PvP

Condition removal is far less common from a PvE nasty ~

Fuzzy Taco · Feb 23, 2008, 07:20 PM // 19:20

Shadow's right. Enfeebling blood is arguably the greatest Curses skill in the game - for PvE. in PvP, for reason mentioned above, it's less popular.

jrk247 · Feb 24, 2008, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

People usually tend to listen to Carinae and Ensign when they make such strong statements, I certainly did.

EDIT: As pointed out below, the above quotes were referring to Enfeebling Blood's use in PVE.

Weakness in PvP is just a waste. In PvE, yes it has it's uses especially if playing Hard Mode, but it's a waste of a skill slot and energy to use it in PvP which if you haven't figured out is the topic of this thread because hex shutdown is pointless in PvE.

Trvth Jvstice · Feb 24, 2008, 11:20 PM // 23:20

jrk247, I don't play PVP, but I have seen shutdown used in PVE, though dmg dealing or support may have been better. I used a lot of hex shutdown when I was helping with the Dragons Lair bonus, Glint.